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Temporal Anomalies

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Quick Jumps

The Letter
The Reply

Not Letters

Chuck Buckley's Time Travel Problem:
  First Response

Chuck Buckley's Time Travel Problem:
  Second Response

Chuck Buckley's Time Travel Problem:
  Third Response

Chuck Buckley's Time Travel Problem:
  Fourth Response

Vazor's Time Travel Questions:
  First Response


Doctor TOC, 12 Monkeys Fixed Timeline
Doctor TOC, Woman on Plane
JKrapf007, Evil Dead 2 Not a Remake
Nathro, Evil Dead 2 a Sequel
JKrapf007, Travel Before Your Birth
Nathro, More About Evil Dead
Sauce96, Terminator and Star Trek
Sauce96, Presenting an Original Story
Sauce96, Defending Paradox
Muhammed, A Line from 12 Monkeys
Holger Thiemann, 12 Monkeys Fixed Time
Chad Hadsell, Local Infinity Loops
Chad Hadsell, Time an Abstraction
Holger Thiemann, Testing the Theory
Chad Hadsell, Travel to the Future
Chad Hadsell, Erasing Future Self
Holger Thiemann, Temporal Duplicates
Gecko, 12 Monkeys Analysis Incorrect
Jason Seiler, 12 Monkeys Static Time
Jason Seiler, Metaphysics Class Links
Etienne Rouette, Woman on Plane
Matthew Potts, Woman on Plane
Bart, Parallel Universe Theory
Bart, Clarification
Illumin8, Spreadsheets

Movies Analyzed
in order examined

    Addendum to Terminator
    Terminator 3:  Rise of the Machines
    Terminator Recap
    Terminator Salvation
    Terminator Genisys
    Terminator:  Dark Fate
Back To The Future
Back To The Future II
Back To The Future III
Star Trek Introduction
    Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home
    Star Trek: Generations
    Star Trek: First Contact
    Star Trek (2009)
12 Monkeys
    Addendum to 12 Monkeys
Flight Of The Navigator
  Flight Of The Navigator Addendum
Army of Darkness
Lost In Space
Peggy Sue Got Married
Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure
Bill & Ted's Bogus Journey
Planet of the Apes
Kate and Leopold
Somewhere In Time
The Time Machine
Minority Report
Happy Accidents
The Final Countdown
Donnie Darko
  S. Darko
Harry Potter and
    the Prisoner of Azkaban

Deja Vu
    Primer Questions
Bender's Big Score
Popular Christmas Movies
The Butterfly Effect
  The Butterfly Effect 2
  The Butterfly Effect 3:  Revelations
The Last Mimzy
The Lake House
The Time Traveler's Wife
The Hot Tub Time Machine
Los Cronocrimines a.k.a. TimeCrimes
A Sound of Thundrer
Frequently Asked Questions
    About Time Travel

Source Code
Blackadder Back & Forth
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles III
11 Minutes Ago
Men in Black III
La Jetée
Midnight in Paris
Meet the Robinsons
H. G. Wells' The Time Machine
The Jacket
Safety Not Guaranteed
The Philadelphia Experiment
    The Philadelphia Experiment II
Time After Time
About Time
Free Birds
X-Men:  Days of Future Past
Edge of Tomorrow
Mr. Peabody & Sherman
Project Almanac
Time Lapse
O Homem Do Futuro
    a.k.a. The Man from the Future

Abby Sen
When We First Met
See You Yesterday
The History of Time Travel
Copyright Information

The temporal anomaly terminology used here is drawn from Appendix 11:  Temporal Anomalies of Multiverser from Valdron Inc, and is illustrated on the home page of this web site.  This site is part of M. J. Young Net.

Books by the Author.

The Book

Temporal Anomalies in Time Travel Movies
A Letter from Doctor TOC:
12 Monkeys Timeline is Fixed

This letter and the original reply also appears as the Addendum to 12 Monkeys.  It was posted there before I realized how many excellent letters (and repeated subjects) I would receive, and then posted again here as the first letter when I determined to create this section of the site.

The Letter

Tue, 17 Mar 1998 16:52:00 -0500
From:  Doctor TOC

Hi there,

  Being a long time fan of time travel fiction, I was intrigued to discover your excellent page. I was very impressed to see the amount of work that you've put into it. Your exploration of the various anomalies and logical inconsistencies of the movies you have chosen is very well done, being neither too complex or too simplistic. Keeping things both informative and entertaining is a difficult task, which you have managed to pull off quite well. You've also managed to arouse my curiosity about "Multiverser", which I shall be checking out soon (obviously the intended effect).

  I was interested by your explanation of the events of "12 Monkeys".  Your explanation of the movie hinged on the fact that history can be altered. However, the point of the film was that it can't be changed.  This was stated at a number of points in the film. The movie's take on temporal physics was that there is no free will, that events occur as they always have done and always will. Therefore, there are no altered timelines, and the film is set in a Minkowskian block universe.

  That aside, I enjoyed your page greatly, and will return to it often in the future. Is there a chance that you will expand it to include selected time travel literature?

  all the best,

Chris Halliday

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The Reply


  Thanks for your encouraging letter about the temporal anomalies web site.  I'm glad someone out there is enjoying it, and possibly learning something about time, too.


  My explanation of 12 Monkeys does suggest that history can be changed.  I am not at all sure whether the film's own theory about itself is consistent or inconsistent with that.  However, there are a few things I note in this regard.  One is that the woman who appears to be one of the chief scientists through the majority of the film is in fact introduced to us as an insurance somebody, possibly a salesperson, so we hardly expect them to fully understand either what they have said or what they have done.  Second, Cole himself, from whom we obtain most of our impression of their theories, was an 8 year old boy at the point at which the world ended.  He cannot be expected to fully understand even what they have told him about time travel, and they will not have attempted to explain it fully.  Further, it is clear that whether or not they believe the past can be changed, they are trying to change it.  The changes they intend are extremely small (at least in the beginning), but they do seem to expand as the movie progresses.  They are injecting someone from the future into the past; and they are trying to cause someone in the past to send information from the past to the future.  However, I understand their perspective:  they would have us believe that there is a single time line, and that all of the events which happen on it are fixed.

  This view is more consistent with a non-linear approach to time.  There are those who would suggest that since God knows the end from the beginning, all of time and all that happens within it is much like a movie.  We experience it sequentially, but the events which run from the beginning to the end all exist simultaneously, in a non-temporal sense.  As the Multiverser rules say in several contexts, time in the spiritual world is multidimensional in ways which go far beyond our limited concepts of forward, backward, and sideways.  However, there is a problem in this non-linear approach to time which evolves from what becomes the illusion of causation.  We perceive that certain events which occur have other consequent events.  It is the basis of our science; but it is more than that:  it is the conceptualization of our existence.  We put water in a pot, put it on a stove, and turn on the heat.  We expect that the water will boil because of the heat.  But the water will not boil before the heat is applied.  The problem created by time travel results from the observation that events in the future can cause events in their own past.  If this is so, it appears that events in the future could cause themselves; or conversely that events in the future could prevent themselves.  But the 12 Monkeys static time line theory cannot escape this problem; nor does it escape.  There is at least one glaring error made by the scientists in the future which demonstrates that they neither understand nor believe what is claimed in the film.  They send Jose back to Cole to give him a gun.  They must have intended that he kill the lab assistant carrying the virus.  Of course, he failed to do so; but that does not alter the fact that those in the future attempted to change the past.

  I gave a lot of consideration to the static timeline theory of time; however, there are plausible time travel events (many covered in films) which cannot be possible under that theory.  The classic puzzle of the man becoming his own grandfather, or that of the object which is passed from the owner in the future to the owner in the past from whom he would ultimately receive it, cannot be explained.  The sci-fi standard of the individual who goes back in time and changes the past so that the future will be different is also impossible on this conception, as is the notion that a person going back in time could accidentally do something which would prevent their own birth.  With the static timeline theory, we must either presume that time travel is utterly impossible and always will be (which might be the case, but does not make good fiction), or that Providence is so deeply involved in controling events that our entire science and perception of the universe is illusory.  The water does not boil because we put it on the heat, but because it was time for the water to boil; we put it on the heat before that, because it is part of the illusion of our world that there is causation, that if we apply heat to a pot of water, it will boil, instead of that the water will boil on schedule, and we will put it on the heat on schedule, as two unrelated events which give us the illusion of causality.

  That said, let me suggest that perhaps those in the future didn't mean that you could not change the past at all, and that the movie may not have intended for us to believe this.  Consider this scenario.  The world is destroyed by a virus in 1996.  Knowing this, James Cole comes back from the future to determine how it happened, and to prevent it from happening.  He discovers that Jeffry Goines is responsible for the release of the virus, and so he intervenes, perhaps killing Jeffry to prevent the release of the virus which will destroy his world.  But now it is his very intent to change the future by changing the past.  If he has been successful, then the future is changed.  If the future is changed, then the world was not destroyed by a virus in 1996.  And if it was not so destroyed, then James Cole did not come back in time to find out why it wasn't destroyed.  But if he has not come back then he has not prevented the destruction.  Therefore, any plan to come from the future to change the past is doomed.  If you succeed, you destroy all the reason and information upon which your decision to do so was based, and you will not make the attempt.  Another example:  if you decided to prevent the holocaust by going back in time to before Hitler was in power and killing him, then either the holocaust will not occur, or it will occur without his involvement--and in either case, you would have no reason to kill him.

  The timeline theory I developed while working on Multiverser explains how all of these stories are possible, what brings them about, and what consequences flow from them.  It is deterministic in a limited sense, in that it suggests that whatever someone does at a given instant is what they would do at that given moment in any history in which events causative of that action are unchanged.  Thus if the pass Larry makes at Ginny causes Ginny to slap Larry across the face in a world in which Ted Kennedy is Senator from Massachussetts, that same pass will get the same slap in a world in which Bob Schwartz is Senator from Massachussetts, assuming that who the Senator from Massachussetts is has no effect on either Larry or Ginny.

  But there is another sense in which the past cannot be changed which is intrinsic to my theory.  It is commonly suggested in time travel movies that if the past is changed by a time traveler, the time traveler will know what it was before he changed it.  I find this doubtful in the extreme.  As you will note in my analysis of Back to the Future (Part I), Although there is a Marty McFly who grew up under the roof of the George and Loraine McFly who met when her father hit him with the car, that Marty's history has ceased to exist when he returns to the future.  He is replaced by the Marty McFly who grew up in the home of George McFly, science fiction author, and knows nothing of that other Marty.  If subsequent to the time travel event history is able to continue (not always possible), the only past known to anyone is the last past created.

  As to expanding the page, your encouraging letter inspired me to ponder what other time travel movies were available.  I am working on Flight of the Navigator at the moment.  If there's one you would especially like me to tackle, I would be glad to make the attempt.  Books are a much more difficult venture.  A movie I can watch half a dozen times, playing it in the background while I work on other things, taking notes during focused viewings, absorbing the feel and the details through repetition.  After a good viewing of the movie, and some mulling it over, I usually find important details on the next viewing.  Overall, I can analyze a movie within a few hours spread over a few days.  A book requires that I focus my attention to reading it--I've no one who would read to me while I type something else, despite my certainty that I could benefit greatly from such use of my time.  It will take several hours to read once, especially a good book, and if not so good, will be examined over several days.  To thoroughly comprehend it, I would have to read it several times, which truly would be time consuming.  On top of this, books lack the wider audience of film.  Even a relatively obscure time travel movie like Millennium has probably been seen by more people alive today than the number who have actually read The Time Machine, without doubt the best known time travel book (and an excellent story capturing social commentary within the framework of a futuristic society, as the best sci-fi so often does).  To discuss the temporal anomalies in that book (which, incidentally, are minimal in the extreme) would be to invite people to ignore a page in the site.  However, if you have a good sci-fi time travel book you would like me to consider, I might make a stab at finding it, "by special request", and including it on the site.  After all, I haven't used up a third of the space GeoCities provides, and I'm running out of decent time travel movies.

  It's late out here; I've still got a few loose ends to tie up before bed.  I hope I haven't bored you with my complicated reply (and I hope it's coherent--I was fighting to stay awake when I began it, and am too tired to proofread it now).  Again, thank you for your support and encouragement through your interest in the Temporal Anomalies site, and feel free to ask me any questions about it or any other site or page connected to me.

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