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Doctor TOC, 12 Monkeys Fixed Timeline
Doctor TOC, Woman on Plane
JKrapf007, Evil Dead 2 Not a Remake
Nathro, Evil Dead 2 a Sequel
JKrapf007, Travel Before Your Birth
Nathro, More About Evil Dead
Sauce96, Terminator and Star Trek
Sauce96, Presenting an Original Story
Sauce96, Defending Paradox
Muhammed, A Line from 12 Monkeys
Holger Thiemann, 12 Monkeys Fixed Time
Chad Hadsell, Local Infinity Loops
Chad Hadsell, Time an Abstraction
Holger Thiemann, Testing the Theory
Chad Hadsell, Travel to the Future
Chad Hadsell, Erasing Future Self
Holger Thiemann, Temporal Duplicates
Gecko, 12 Monkeys Analysis Incorrect
Jason Seiler, 12 Monkeys Static Time
Jason Seiler, Metaphysics Class Links
Etienne Rouette, Woman on Plane
Matthew Potts, Woman on Plane
Bart, Parallel Universe Theory
Bart, Clarification

Movies Analyzed
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Terminator
    Addendum to Terminator
    Terminator 3:  Rise of the Machines
    Terminator Recap
    Terminator Salvation
    Terminator Genisys
Back To The Future
Back To The Future II
Back To The Future III
Millennium
Star Trek Introduction
    Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home
    Star Trek: Generations
    Star Trek: First Contact
    Star Trek (2009)
12 Monkeys
    Addendum to 12 Monkeys
Flight Of The Navigator
  Flight Of The Navigator Addendum
Army of Darkness
Lost In Space
Peggy Sue Got Married
Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure
Bill & Ted's Bogus Journey
Frequency
Planet of the Apes
Kate and Leopold
Somewhere In Time
The Time Machine
Minority Report
Happy Accidents
The Final Countdown
Donnie Darko
  S. Darko
Harry Potter and
    the Prisoner of Azkaban

Deja Vu
Primer
    Primer Questions
Bender's Big Score
Popular Christmas Movies
The Butterfly Effect
  The Butterfly Effect 2
  The Butterfly Effect 3:  Revelations
The Last Mimzy
The Lake House
The Time Traveler's Wife
The Hot Tub Time Machine
Premonition
Los Cronocrimines a.k.a. TimeCrimes
Timeline
A Sound of Thundrer
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Frequently Asked Questions
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Source Code
Warlock
Blackadder Back & Forth
Watchmen
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles III
11 Minutes Ago
Men in Black III
La Jetée
Triangle
Midnight in Paris
Meet the Robinsons
Looper
H. G. Wells' The Time Machine
The Jacket
Safety Not Guaranteed
The Philadelphia Experiment
  The Philadelphia Experiment II
Time After Time
TimeCop
About Time
Free Birds
X-Men:  Days of Future Past
Edge of Tomorrow
Mr. Peabody & Sherman
Predestination
Project Almanac
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The temporal anomaly terminology used here is drawn from Appendix 11:  Temporal Anomalies of Multiverser from Valdron Inc, and is illustrated on the home page of this web site.  This site is part of M. J. Young Net.

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Temporal Anomalies in Time Travel Movies
unravels
A Letter from Muhammed:
A Line from 12 Monkeys

What did she say?  It's not easy to make out Kathryn Railly's words in this scene, but if Muhammed got it right, it doesn't make much sense, either.

The Letter

Subject:  12 monkeys
Date:  Fri, 7 Aug 1998 02:26:27 +0200
From: "Muhammed"

Hi there,

i really enjoyed your homepage and maybe it helped me more in understanding what i'm try to get, i'm hooked on 12 monkey and one thing still really trouble me, and  i can't make sense out of it at all. it's teh scene at the airport when DR. railly says to James cole "I remember you like that " ( with the wig and the moustache) how could that be? was she a young girl too  at teh airport when james got gunned down too? just like young james saw himself getting shot? But that can't be too she would remember the accident... i'm so confues and lost

 can you please help on this, maybe some thoery or a low down?

Thanks you

waiting for your reply

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The Reply

Muhammed--

I've taken another look at the film 12 Monkeys, and found the line you referenced; I think I have an explanation.

Although it is not easy to make out the dialogue in that section, it seems that Dr. Railly does say, "I remember you like this."  She goes on to say that it seems that she's always known him.

I've a notion that this must be indicating something that I think could not be so:  that Dr. Railly subconsciously remembers events which happened in a previous time line.  It is, from a certain view, not so far-fetched.  After all, Dr. Railly's work on the Cassandra Complex caused her to study many individuals in history whom she viewed as crackpots (she would have said they were mentally unbalanced) who were actually time travelers; and through her relationship with James Cole, she has found herself at the hub of these time travel events.  For most of the world, the time line is repeating in precisely the same pattern with each trip made into the past; but for her, almost every trip made by anyone into the past has altered her reality.  The "prophet" who appeared in England warning of the future pestilence appears in her notes; the "soldier" who "forgot how to speak French" becomes part of her work.  She meets Cole on three of his trips to the past--which we have seen are multiplied by other trips, each a bit different.  For her, reality has changed with almost every return trip made by any traveler.  We might expect her to be confused about reality; the idea that she has deja-vous, remembering things which haven't happened yet, is very appealing.

But I think it suggests something which doesn't wash.  For Cole, these multiple trips create a sequential timeline for him, although it is different from the normal chronology.  But for Railly, no matter how many times she passes through the same dates on the calendar, it is always the first time for her.  She cannot remember events from the previous timeline, because they have in effect been erased by the new history.

That, at any rate, is my position.  I'd be interested in your thoughts.

I should also mention that I've recently become aware of an excellent and growing 12 Monkeys web site by Chris Pollard, which links to a number of other related sites and has a fair amount of information in its own right.

I hope this helps.

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